The gem of wisdom in this interview comes towards the end, so stay with it. “To be loved means to be recognised as existing” fully in all of our suffering. I have been an admirer of Thich Nhat Hanh for some time. This beautiful interview toward the end gives some lovely advice on how to listen and be fully present with compassion for others and also for our selves. We can use his mantras to talk kindly to ourselves when we suffer too.